Elizabeth Bennet (Elizabeth Garvey) brooding over how wrong she has been: she has had postures like this since she read Darcy’s first letter about mid-point in the mini-series
Elizabeth Bennet stands up to and defies Lady Catherine de Bourgh (Judy Parfitt) (1979 BBC P&P by Fay Weldon)
Dear friends and readers,
Late yesterday afternoon I read the following passage:
Her judgment approved of the frankness, with which she had asserted her rights, and of the firmness, with which she had reproved a woman, who had dared to demand respect from the very victim of her cruelty and oppression. She was the more satisfied with herself, because she had never, for an instant, forgotten her own dignity so far, as to degenerate into the vehemence of passion, or to faulter with the weakness of fear. Her conviction of [his aunt’s] unworthy character was too clear to allow El[izabeth] to feel abashed in her presence; for she regarded only the censure of the good, to which she had ever
been as tremblingly alive …
Wait, someone asks? I don’t remember that passage from Pride and Prejudice. It fits but then I can see that some cunning substitute has been made.
Yes. This comes from Radcliffe’s The Italian and is Ellena thinking about an encounter between herself and an abbess which parallels not only in thematic resonance but place that in Austen’s Pride and Prejudice. Only the last phrase is out of whack with Elizabeth v Lady Catherine, though a case can be made for Elizabeth being as firm against the censure of the good as Jane Bennet, her sister. Elizabeth Bennet is to Lady Catherine de Bourgh as Ellena Rosalba is to the Abbess of San Stefano
Radcliffe meant to allude to the great Venetian painter, Rosalba Carriera by her heroine’s name
The difference between Radcliffe and Austen is Austen does not have such a passage. She does not assure us that this encounter is central, an important moment in the growth of the heroine’s integrity in a moral and psychological sense; rather she leaves people to flounder and assume “Till now I had never known myself” and take away abjection, mortification from Darcy’s lesson and a lesson in humility as a central node in the novel. And following suit the 1979 and 1995 film de-emphasize the moment between Elizabeth and Lady Catherine (Judy Parfitt comes closest to the woman and the longest rendition is in the 79 P&P) and make the letter from Darcy central; the 2005 film almost eradicates it: the moment must be there as it really is the pivotal moment of the book’s close, but is less than one minute long, done swiftly in epitomizing form in the dark.
Lady Catherine (Judi Dench) (2005 P&P by Joe Wright)
No I don’t think Austen was imitating Radcliffe in this novel as I don’t think she was imitating The Mysteries of Udolpho at the close of Persuasion when very like Persuasion where while walking Captain Wentworth and Anne talk of what has happened to them for the last 8 years, & Anne defends her decision to obey Lady Russell Radcliffe in the penultimate chapter of Udolpho has Valancourt and Emily go for a walk and discuss what they have been through and by contrast Emily says she was wrong not to trust Valancourt and take her family’s screwed-up values as her guide.
The question here is not which writer is more proto-gothic or feminist but to show the real obstacles of demonstrating Austen’s feminism and egalitarianism in her novels. It’s been argued by those who read Radcliffe (not enough, most read about her through Austen’s Northanger Abbey) that she is among the most radical of the women novel and gothic writers of her era (among them, Rictor Norton in Mistress of Udolpho, Robert Miles in The Great Enchantress, and to cite but one article, Sydny [Cindy] M. Conger, “Sensibility Restored: Radcliffe’s Answe to Lewis’s Monk,” reprinted in Graham’s Gothic Fictions, Gothic Transgressions), but that is not how she is remembered so to look back at the actual novels and compare (since Austen learned much about subjective narration out of a central consciousness from her).
I returned to Radcliffe yesterday in order to complete my paper, “The Content of Ann Radcliffe Landscapes,” and probably ought to have entitled this blog,”On Never Tiring of Ann Radcliffe” to match my “On Never Tiring of Jane Eyre …” and “On Never Tiring of Austen …. They all never fail me.
Have I told the story gentle reader of how I came to Austen? Probably on Austen-l and other listservs where we’ve read and discussed her novels and (I know) in the preface to my book, Trollope on the ‘Net.
It’s this:
It was quite simply personal need and identification (however ignorant of her era): I saw in P&P an idealized much softened version of my parents’s misery, my father’s boredom with a unintelligent tenaciously conformist wife; I saw Elinor as someone to imitate in order to protect myself and I know the ideal of this character lodged in my mind helped me fend off abrasiveness and guard myself. I was Fanny who couldn’t cross thresholds and have experienced this since even 10 years ago where I teach where it was still hard to go into a room to be with the “higher-ups” (tenured types with whom I & another adjunct lecturer were on a committee on). After my first reading of MP and coming across the words how we find ourselves born to “struggle and endure” I immediately turned to its first page and re-read. The book is never far from my mind; all my life it’s there latent, easily called up to consciousness.
Between the ages of 17 and 19 I don’t remember much. It was a bad dark period for me. But I know I read Northanger Abbey and Persuasion during these years for at age 21 when in an English class I was assigned Emma I remember thinking it was the only one I had not read. (In those days I didn’t know of the juvenilia or unfinished novels.)
Looking down at Bath from Prior Park heights (photo taken by Laura, my older daughter)
Recently the opening of my unfinished book, Jane Austen in Bath, was published in a newsletter by the JASNA-DC people:
We stood high above Bath looking down. It had been an arduous climb. About a third of the way up my husband, Jim, had suddenly suggested ‘maybe we should have gone round’. Even our sturdy sixteen- year old daughter, Isobel, might not have made it up had not a stairway moulded out of the hill’s earth and stones, to which continuous wooden rails were attached, been provided by some prescient civic body. Northanger Abbey had not conveyed how steep this hill really was. I had attributed Catherine Morland’s satisfaction on Beechen Cliff almost wholly to the lingering memory of a hard-won battle: to go on this country walk with her real friends she had had to fend off the pressure and deceits practised upon her by a brother and two false friends. Also unemphatically in the text then was the achievement of the walk itself. And unlike another famous eighteenth-century walker, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Catherine had gotten to share her reveries with congenial spirits.
The reader would laugh could I say for how long I had almost let myself dream of standing on this green hill so that I too could reject ‘the whole city of Bath, as unworthy to make part of a landscape’ (NA, 111) with the splendid effortlessness of a touchingly innocent heroine.
Emma remains my least favorite of the books.
I never wanted to work on Austen academically — it meant too much, was too close was my naive idea, and I only began to be active and write (most of my writing is on the Net and I imagine will continue to be so until the end of my chapter, meaning my life) when I came onto the Net and the truth is I did this because I found a world of people to be with daily and I felt intimately (however wrong I may have been). I have since learned (using Bronte’s Jane Eyre) that teaching what you are passionately engaged with produces the finest experiences, but did not know that then.
I first read Ann Radcliffe when I came across an exquisitely lovely 3 volumed medium-brown (textured covers) copy of the boo on the open shelves of Brooklyn College! Yes, in 1974 gentle reader a 1797 copy of The Romance of the Forest was available to students and faculty alike on the open shelves of Brooklyn College (CUNY). I was teaching there. It was so lovely I took it home. I was riveted by its nightmares and it too has never been forgotten by me. I’ve taught it, read it several times, once on the Net, put here all the postings I wrote then. Along with Wordsworth’s “Michael,” landscape poetry and my love of bitter melancholy satire, other later 18th century French and English women’s life-writing, this book led to my majoring in the ” long 18th century” (beginning with the later 17th and going onto 1820) with my emphasis on 1760 to 1815.
Elizabeth Bennet (Jennifer Ehle) in the beginning phase of her long moving trajectory of self-examination and regret, remorse: “Till now I never knew myself … ” (1995 P&P by Andrew Davies)
When I was younger and knew people face-to-face or not at all, it was not uncommon for people to be surprised when I told of my love for Austen — as I am a socialist by ideology (there is no party allowed in the US which is even pro-labor or working and lower middle class). Until today I am in my gut not persuaded Austen is not conservative and deeply so in some
fundamental ways that go beyond but also includes ideology; Radcliffe is openly deeply liberal in a modern way in her travel book (I’ll be making a blog on this soon), but she too shows the same rooted impulses for retreat, security in a stable situation with people she can rely on and who are kind enough and have some minimal integrity in the home and in their ideals. Both their feminism is also muted. We can say all we like that Austen wrote this way out of her dependent position but what exists of documents does not bear this out enough. The family has indeed been thorough and destroyed all that might be used persuasively — we have been seeing this in Austen’s letters.
When Elinor awakens in the 1995 S&S by Ang Lee and Emma Thompson, and finds Marianne yet living and having passed her crisis, and looks out the window this is what she sees
No it’s the presence of both women in these books, their stance of sheer non-corruption, and seeking a refuge in beauty, taste, humane feeling shared with a few others that was and remains the deep appeal. I’ve read The Mysteries of Udolpho now at least 4 times, once half-way through in French (Madamde de Chastenay’s translation) and it’s transcendent landscapes live still in the Jane Austen movies (ironically).
My first attempt at a blog, dear reader, was called “Udolpho” (on livejournal some 12 years ago); the livejournal people recently reminded me of this when they deleted it as unused.
Ellen
Thanks for writing this blog, Ellen.
Bob
Great passage Ellen. Tyler
Thank you for your lovely post, Ellen.
And I must be the one of the oldest (regularly posting on these listservs)
coming to Austen -I was almost at the end of my 58th year~~~:-)
And only after a little over two years of private enjoyment and study, I
joined the Austen listservs two years ago -thanks to Arnie.
Now, I’ve also fallen in love with a few other ‘sister’ authoresses of the
era -thanks to Ellen and her eighteenth-century world of devotions and
sharing.
I find myself feeling so grateful for this richness opening-up before me……
Christy
Christy, where you really 58? Which novel did you begin with?
Can you say to some extent what riveted you? And did you come here afterward?
For me for Austen 12-13 (bookshelves at home, my father’s books) and again 15 (found in drugstore as a paperback around the time I found in the same kind of store Bronte), but to be specific about the others: for Radcliffe while a teacher aged 26 when I came upon the lovely 1797 copy of Romance of the Forest on Brooklyn College shelves. Just a girl reader exploring the many used bookstore shops in Manhattan, I was around 18 when I first encountered Burney as a small Everyman abridgement (one volume) version of her diaries at the Argosy bookstore on 59th, say just off 3rd or 2nd avenue in NYC.
Charlotte Smith was graduate school. There it was the classroom with academic curricula and I was doing papers, taking a course. My first book was Old Manor House, in the Oxford hard back.
I had thought Austen a household word. I have been told by others on this list when they were young Austen was associated as
“old-fashioned,” “a classic,” “elite” — and (horrors!) satiric.
By the time my older daughter (now 33) was in high school, Emma was a set text for AP classes. But when I was young, her books, Jane Eyre and some other books we read today were not considered sufficiently “serious” (not romances) to be set in school.
Ellen
I came to Jane Austen late in life -I was just a couple of months shy of my 58th birthday.
Catholic School and university never brought Jane Austen, or any of her
contemporary writing `sisters’, to my attention (b. 1951, San Francisco). And
my personal reading interests had always been with the unusual, unexplainable,mysterious, and spiritual.
So when JA’s work finally did become interesting to me, ironically (because I
can no longer watch the film -comfortably), it was through Rozema’s film
-Mansfield Park….
During the early to mid 2000-‘s, as I become more familiar with the `93 S&S, the `95 Persuasion, and the `96 Emma, and sometime after the 2005 P&P went into DVD, I also saw Rozema’s MP as well.
I viewed it several times -since it seemed the `oddest’ and most unusual of the
bunch. It was this `uniqueness’ which finally moved my curiosity to read the
original story as it was written 200 years ago; and it still remains my favorite
-even though I’ve grown to appreciate Emma much more than I ever expected.
As I see it, if it hadn’t been for Rozema’s choice to include JA’s personal
voice from the letters and juvenilia, and present the story in the provocative
way that she did, who knows if I would have ever come to read her.
Funny, how just one unusual film might significantly alter the course of ones
deeply felt, literary inclinations and interests!
So now, thanks to Ellen and her eighteenth-century world of devotions and
sharing, I’ve also fallen in love with a few other `sister’ authoresses of the
era -I find myself feeling so grateful for this richness opening-up before me…
Christy
Christy, it’s probably even common nowadays for people to find authors through loving a film. I admit that the Rozema film of _MP_ is one I would not predict would lead to loving Austen since the book, MP is utterly unlike that film is spirit, with a different heroine, but maybe the reasons you liked Rozema’s film had nothing to do with Rozema’s reading of MP. You do say what you liked what Rozema’s transposition of Austen’s voice from the Juvenilia as bouncy and strong; but even there Rozema erases all the strong harsh satiric stuff from the juvenilia (like she wants to murder her mother, father, sister). Rozema’s is an appealing film — filled with energy and in the end wistfully hopeful. Romantic too.
When you say you “viewed it several times since” and it remains the “oddest” of the bunch, do you mean the film? you seem then to switch
to the books because you say “it” remains my favorite even though you’ve “grown” to appreciate _Emma_ — which apparently you didn’t at first. Here’s your paragraph:
“I viewed it several times -since it seemed the `oddest’ and most unusual of the bunch. It was this `uniqueness’ which finally moved my curiosity to read the original story as it was written 200 years ago; and it still remains my favorite -even though I’ve grown to appreciate Emma much more than I ever expected.
For what I want to say is _MP_ as a book is not odd; it’s central and very like the others even if more stern in tone at times and the conclusion say. And that the Rozema film is not odd: I’ve now seen about 32 of the Austen films (just about all), and many are utterly different from Austen, especially the free adaptations. I know you loved _Lost in Austen_ and so did I and we both like the Jane character. But she is very altered from Austen’s Jane. Austen’s Jane is not in any of the P&P films; she’s too fragile.
And I have another story to tell: how I came to Trollope. I’ve told this in my book and copy and reprint here what I wrote there. While I did not come to him first through a movie, my interest was deeply aroused on a second encounter by the Palliser films.
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From my book: see Ellen and Jim have a blog, two: How I came to Trollope.
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So you see Christy, films have meant a lot to me because it was on a Trollope list I led my first group read, on a Trollope list I met John Letts who invited me to write a book for the Trollope society, published it, invited (and paid me) to give a hour lecture at the Reform club, the first time I ever gave a talk in my life — to such an exalted group too. My 15 minutes of fame came and went early.
E.M.
Ellen,
I was trying to consolidate too much information too fast…
When I wrote `oddest of the bunch’ I was referring to the other films I’d seen.
I’d watched Rozema’s film several times _before_ I ever read the book, so for
me, of course, Rozema’s MP was the `strangest’ one compared to the popular S&S (1993), Emma (1996), and Persuasion(1995).
When I finally decided to read MP, I fell in love with it; yet was also very
surprised at what had been altered & added (from JA’s letters and juvenilia)
into the film.
This is why I surmise that the inclusion of some of JA’s personal material, and
having the heroine talking to the audience, caught my attention -the other
films had not intrigued me in this way.
And Emma and Persuasion were the last two of her novels that I read during my first year with JA -this was well after I’d read several biographies.
And yes, the `Lost in Austen’s’ Jane Bennet, is the best one captured on film in
my mind.
And thank you for sharing parts of your very interesting journey into the world
of Trollope. ~~~:-)
Christy
Again, interesting Christy. For those of us to whom books really matter, reading genuinely counts as living, speaking of these things and comparing them is vitally central.
I read my first biography of Austen after I read _Emma_ (at around age 21) and so after I read the famous six novels. Probably it was in graduate school and I got the book from the Strand. I still have my copy: Elizabeth Jenkins’s _Jane Austen_. It still stands up to reading as she has entered insightfully into the mood or point of view in the books and she is very good whenever she comes to discuss them, especially _S&S_ as containing some of the earliest texts from the
serious novels we have (as JEAL averred) and the Juvenilia. She relates the repeated instances of traumatic mortification wreaked on the heroines from a couple of the Juvenilia through Lady Catherine de Bourgh to Lady Denham in _Sanditon_.
It’s true that Tomalin may be said to be a modern re-telling of
Jenkins’s point of view.
Anyway any ideas about how the novels actually (or factually) relate to Austen’s life did not come into my experience until much later than my reading. I did surmise she had had a close relationship with her father, was mortified by and grated on by a dense mother: that latter is not really not so or only mildly but the close relationship with the father is. Perhaps naively but I don’t reject this idea even now: I thought Elinor Dashwood was somewhat idealized self-portraiture. I didn’t know her brothers were sailors or anything else much. I did know she was unmarried, had never married — probably that came from
the class where we reading _Emma_, the professor probably provided a potted biography. But she also projects an unmarried state I think still. There was no Net then so no wikipedia articles to fill one in quickly.
I didn’t read the unfinished novels until the early 1990s when I got on Austen-l; shortly before that I had read the letters and my first reaction was real disappointment. OTOH, _Lady Susan_ was a revelation and I just loved _The Watsons_ as reflecting more of Austen’s level of income than anything else she wrote. I did know that.
Ellen
Separately on films:
My first film was the 1979 BBC _P&P_ and I loved it. I cannot remember where or how; probably a re-run on PBS. Maybe the first viewing but I don’t think so, because my memories of really being energized come from the early 1980s when I was living in Virginia.
For the first time in a while I had some money (Jim had a full time job with the gov’t!) so I bought the boxed taped sets of the 1983 BBC Mansfield Park (liked it very very much), the 1981 BBC S&S (not so much, but it was true to the book and deeply moving at moments — and I liked the Brandon, the first romantic Brandon I’d ever seen).
I did try the 1941 P&P — out of a blockbusters and thought it an irritating travesty, absurd. Now I realize it started the comic tradition, a comic way of reading Austen and really did mirror the way Austen was seen at the time and (alas by some still though using 1940s aesthetics).
And really the next time I saw an Austen movie was the “outbreak” of them in the middle 1990s. My first was the 1995 _S&S_ which I still think fine, then the 1995 BBC _Persuasion_ and last (not least) the 1995 BBC P&P (Davies). I was not that taken with it, at least not the way other people seem to have been until much later when I began to study movies and understood better what Davies had done.
Since then I’ve gotten what I missed in the earlier years (free adaptations too like Whitman’s Metropolitan, Nunez’s _Ruby In Paradise_), saw what came out as it did. Since I’ve tried a book have some unusual ones, like the Mormon _P&P_ which in some ways is very good — and gives insight into Mormonism.
I think the movies are works of art in their own right, some brilliant, some trash, like most art, and quite a number give real insight into the books and how the directors or film-makers and stars and/oraudiences “read” them, _Lost in Austen_ consciously so.
I do like movies, and when they are good, film adaptations of serious books. Just now comforting myself at night watching a recent Merchant-Ivory film of _The City of Your final Destination_.
Ellen
I began criticism of Austen around the time I began to read the letters, my firsts were the “classics”: Mary Lascelles’s Art of Austen, D.W. Harding’s articles in _Scutiny_ (and that’s where I read them), Tave’s _Some Words_, Tanner’s _JA_ and since then much much more. I still much admire the earliest close readings I read then.
I never had any desire to write as an academic or study Austen that way until the later 1990s — so nothing corrupt entered into it. My experience was not sullied for me by any real understanding of the cult either until after the outbreak of the 1995 movies when it seemed her cult grew by giant steps. And at first I found Austen-l a pleasant place — I remember talking with Edith Lank about Ivor Morris’s Mr Collins (which I was reading for the first time due to her citing it); again after the 1995 movies when this list grew too by leaps and
bounds that changed too.
Ellen
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