Foremother Poet: Adrienne Rich (1929-2012)

“Vision begins to happen in such a life
as if a woman quietly walked away
from the argument and jargon in a room
and sitting down in the kitchen, began turning in her lap
bits of yarn, calico and velvet scraps,
laying them out absently on the scrubbed boards
in the lamplight, with small rainbow-colored shells . . .
Such a composition has nothing to do with eternity,
the striving for greatness, brilliance —
only with the musing of a mind
one with her body, experienced fingers quietly pushing
dark against bright; silk against roughness,
putting the tenets of a life together
with no mere will to mastery,
only care . . .”


Adrienne Rich when young


Adrienne Rich more recently

Dear friends and readers,

Adrienne Rich died this afternoon (John Nichols’s obituary). She was one of the great poets of our time, a perceptive selfless essayist, consistently humane in all her stances, a feminist, eloquent and pithy. I came to her late, but discovering her, I’ve found solace, inspiriting anger, validation.

Two favorite short poems:

From Contradictions

The problem, unstated till now, is how
to live in a damaged body
in a world where pain is meant to be gagged
uncured          ungrieved over          The problem is
to connect, without hysteria, the pain
of any one’s body with the pain of the body’s world
For it is the body’s world
they are trying to destroy for ever
The best world is the body’s world
filled with creatures          filled with dread
misshapen so          yet the best we have
our raft among the abstract worlds
and how I longed to live on this earth
walking her boundaries          never counting the cost

From an Atlas of the Difficult World

I know you are reading this poem
late, before leaving your office
of the one intense yellow lamp-spot and the darkening window
in the lassitude of a building faded to quiet
long after rush-hour. I know you are reading this poem
standing up in a bookstore far from the ocean
on a grey day of early spring, faint flakes driven
across the plains’ enormous spaces around you.
I know you are reading this poem
in a room where too much has happened for you to bear
where the bedclothes lie in stagnant coils on the bed
and the open valise speaks of flight
but you cannot leave yet. I know you are reading this poem
as the underground train loses momentum and before running
up the stairs
toward a new kind of love
your life has never allowed.
I know you are reading this poem by the light
of the television screen where soundless images jerk and slide
while you wait for the newscast from the intifada.
I know you are reading this poem in a waiting-room
of eyes met and unmeeting, of identity with strangers.
I know you are reading this poem by fluorescent light
in the boredom and fatigue of the young who are counted out,
count themselves out, at too early an age. I know
you are reading this poem through your failing sight, the thick
lens enlarging these letters beyond all meaning yet you read on
because even the alphabet is precious.
I know you are reading this poem as you pace beside the stove
warming milk, a crying child on your shoulder, a book in your
hand
because life is short and you too are thirsty.
I know you are reading this poem which is not in your language
guessing at some words while others keep you reading
and I want to know which words they are.
I know you are reading this poem listening for something, torn
between bitterness and hope
turning back once again to the task you cannot refuse.
I know you are reading this poem because there is nothing else
left to read
there where you have landed, stripped as you are.

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Betty LaDuke (b. 1933), Timeless Time, Latin America

I find other women quote her. It’s common for me to have passages from her poems and prose in my file on her (a Net commonplace book) which come from other people’s writing. For example, My Dream of You, a novel by Nuala O’Faolain (whose work I love similarly, maybe even more so her two memoirs):

You sleep in a room with bluegreen curtains
posters          a pile of animals on the bed
A woman and a man who love you
and each other          slip the door ajar
you are almost asleep          they crouch in turn
to stroke your hair          you never wake

This happens every night for years
This never happened . . .

What if I told you your home
is this continent of the homeless
of children sold          taken by force
driven from their mothers’ land
killed by their mothers to save from capture
— this continent of changed names and mixed-up
          blood
of languages tabooed
diasporas unrecorded
undocumented refugees
underground railroads          trails of tears
What if I tell you your home
is this planet of war-worn children
women and children standing in line or milling
endlessly calling each others’ names
What if I tell you, you are not different
it’s the family albums that lie
— will any of this comfort you
and how should this comfort you?


Berthe Morisot (1841-95) Seascape

I came across this part of another of Rich’s moving poems in a wonderful biography cum art-criticism, Berthe Morisot by Anne Higonnet:

The women who first knew themselves
miners, are dead, The rainbow flies

like a flying buttress from the walls
of cloud, the silver-and-green vein

awaits the battering of the pick
the dark lode weeps for light.

My heart is moved by all I cannot save:
so much has been destroyed

I have to cast my lot with those
who age after age, perversely,

with no extraordinary power,
reconstitute the world.

This one, on line, from a blog:

I have read again and again in her Poems: Selected and New, 1950-1974, and (a real favorite, for the title too), The Fact of a Doorframe. I like her better than Margaret Atwood because she is less elusive, less diplomatic, less intellectual; I like her better than Marge Piercy because she is less direct, less brash, more reflectively thoughtful.

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I love her essays just as much. Cherished volumes are: On Lies, Secresy and Silence; Of Woman Born: Motherhood as an Experience and institution; What is Found There: Notebooks on Poetry and Politics.

She taught us and will continue to teach us; turn anywhere to where women writers are quoted, of course especially women’s studies, women’s poetry, women’s issues, and you found some utterance of hers (like Simone de Beauvoir, like Andrea Dworkin, like Catherine MacKinnon) a concept, a feeling, an experience that people must begin or argue with. Last night I was reading Jane Gaines and Charlotte Herzog’s Fabrications: Costume and the Female Body, and where, in order to turn to understanding, valuing, finding resistance, meaning, some power, some utopia, in fashion, but Rich:

“In one of the strongest statements against traditional feminine dress and adornment, Adrienne Rich puts haute couture and ‘feminine dress code’ in the same category as purdah, foot-binding, the veil, public sexual harassment and the threat of rape, all of which work in some way to physically confine and prohibit movement.”


Robert Maxwell’s photo of Helen Mirren (actress)

There are many tributes to her today: Here is one from a woman I am proud and happy to call my friend, Farideh Hassanzadeh-Mostafavi: “An Interview.”

Reading Rich I could believe in life, love and peace in spite of death, disloyalty and never ending wars. I learned from Rich to resist in my poetry and in my life … I love her pride and purity as a poet, rejecting the most important awards granted by owners of violence and wealth. I introduced her poems to Iranian readers, first in my anthology of women poets and then in my anthology of American contemporary poets. Let me tell you that Rich’s poetry in translation loses everything but poetry itself, simply because it is the language of spirit, not only the language of heart or head. And the language of spirit is common between trees, rivers, and the essence of poetry.

A fine obituary by Gloria Orenstein who taught with her: Legacy; from Susan Rich (An Alchemist’s Kitchen), The Nation (with 5 poems); Reuters Press and the Los Angeles Times:

“Later in the life, in 1997, she created a stir by refusing the National Medal of Arts, the highest honor awarded by the U.S. government to artists and artistic patrons, on political grounds.

“I could not accept such an award from President Clinton or this White House,” she wrote, “because the very meaning of art as I understand it is incompatible with the cynical politics of this administration.”

The Progressive; NPR: Solfeggietto read aloud; The Guardian; The New York Times obituary.

Among the things I admired today was how we were told how and why she died: rheumatoid arthritis. Complications. It’s made such a taboo so often, but not her.

If you knew nothing about her life, work or writing, here are two general sites: wikipedia, Poetry Foundation

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Among her famous often-cited and anthologized poems, Her “Diving into the Wreck” is the equivalent of T. S. Eliot’s Waterland. it sets my spirits soaring:

“Diving into the Wreck”

First having read the book of myths,
and loaded the camera,
and checked the edge of the knife-blade,
I put on
the body-armor of black rubber
the absurd flippers
the grave and awkward mask.
I am having to do this
not like Cousteau with his
assiduous team
aboard the sun-flooded schooner
but here alone.

There is a ladder.
The ladder is always there
hanging innocently
close to the side of the schooner.
We know what it is used for,
who who have used it.
Otherwise
it’s a piece of maritime floss
some sundry equipment.

I go down.
Rung after rung and still
the oxygen immerses me
the blue light
the clear atoms
of our human air.
I go down.
My flippers cripple me,
I crawl like an insect down the ladder
and there is no one
to tell me when the ocean
will begin.

First the air is blue and then
it is bluer and then green and then
black I am blacking out and yet
my mask is powerful
it pumps my blood with power
the sea is another story
the sea is not a question of power
I have to learn alone
to turn my body without force
in the deep element.

And now: it is easy to forget
what I came for
among so many who have always
lived here
swaying their crenellated fans
between the reels
and besides
you breathe differently down here,

I came to explore the wreck.
The words are purposes.
The words are maps.
I came to see the damage that was done
and the treasures that prevail.
I stroke the beam of my lamp
slowly along the flank
of something more permanent
than fish or weed

the thing I came for:
the wreck and not the story of the wreck
the thing itself and not the myth
the drowned face always staring
toward the sun
the evidence of damage
worn by salt and sway into this threadbare beauty
the ribs of the disaster
curving their assertion
among the tentative haunters.

This is the place.
And I am here, the mermaid whose dark hair
streams black, the merman in his armored body
We circle silently
about the wreck
we dive into the hold.
I am she: I am he

whose drowned face sleeps with open eyes
whose breasts still bear the stress
whose silver, copper, vermeil cargo lies
obscurely inside barrels
half-wedged and left to rot
we are the half-destroyed instruments
that once held to a course
the water-eaten log
the fouled compass

We are, I am, you are
by cowardice or courage
the one who find our way
back to this scene
carrying a knife, a camera
a book of myths
in which
our names do not appear.


Nell Blaine (1922-96), Rooftops during Rain

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For me one particular stanza explains how to read literature — or how I read and what I value it most for: the stanza which begins: “the thing I came for:/the wreck and not the story of the wreck …” For me great literature, great art is where we see “the drowned face” and “the ribs of the disaster” so that we may understand our “book of myths” and why we must carry “a knife, a camera.” She has good lines about sex and gender too: the mermaid has dark hair streaming back while the merman is in an armored body. It is impossible to say which is courage and which cowardice.


Leonora Carrington (1917-2011), The House Opposite — a commentary on fairy tales, myths, women in literature

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Just entrancing:

“Transcendental Etudes”

This August evening I’ve been driving
over backroads fringed with queen anne’s lace
my car startling young deer in meadows — one
gave a hoarse intake of her breath and all
four fawns sprang after her
into the dark maples.
Three months from today they’ll be fair game
for the hit-and-run hunters, glorying
in a weekend’s destructive power,
triggers fingered by drunken gunmen, sometimes
so inept as to leave the shattered animal
stunned in her blood. But then evening deep in summer
the deer are still alive and free,
nibbling apples from early-laden boughts
so weighed, so englobed
with already yellowing fruit
they seem eternal, Hesperidean
in the clear-tuned, cricket-throbbing air.

Later I stood in the dooryard
my nerves singing the immense
fragility of all this sweetness,
this green world already sentimentalized, photographed,
advertised to death. Yet, it persists
stubbornly beyond the fake Vermont
of antique barnboards glazed into discotheques,
artificial snow, the sick Vermont of children
conceived in apathy grown to winters
of rotgut violence,
poverty gnashing its teeth like a blind cat at their lives.
Still, it persists. Turning off into a dirt road
from the raw cuts buldozed throgh a quiet village
for the tourist run to Canada,
I’ve sat on a stone fence above a great-soft, sloping field
of musing helfers, a farmstead
slanting its planes calmly in the calm light,
a dead elm raising bleached arms
above a green so dense with life,
minute, momentary life — slugs, moles, pheasants, gnats,
spiders, moths, hummingbirds, groundhogs, butterflies —
a lifetime is too narrow
to understand it all, beginningwith the huge
rockshelves that underlie all life.

No one ever told us we had to study our lives,
make of our lives a study, as if learning natural history
music, that we should begin
with the simple exercises first
and slowly go on trying
the hard ones, practicing till strength
and accuracy became one with the daring
to leap into transcendence, take the chance
of breaking down the wild arpeggio
or faulting the full sentence of the fugue.—
And in fact we can’t live like that: we take on
everything at once before we’ve even begun
to read or mark time, we’re forced to begin
in the midst of the hard movement,
the one already sounding as we are born.

At most we’re allowed a few months
of simply listengin to the simple
line of a woman’s voice singing a child
against her heart. Everything else is too soon,
too sudden, the wrenching-apart, that woman’s heartbeat
heard ever after from a distance
the loss of that ground-note echoing
whenever we are happy, or in despair.

Everything else seems beyond us,
we aren’t ready for it, nothing that was said
is true for us, caugh naked int he argument,
the coutnerpoint, trying to sightread
what our fingers can’t keep up with, learn by heart
what we can’t even read. And yet
it _is_ this we were born to. We aren’t vituosi
or chld prdigies, ther are no prodigies
in this realm, only a half-blind, stubborn
cleaving to the timbre, the tones of what we are
— even when all the texts describe it differently.

And we’re not performers, like Liszt, competing
against the world for speed and brilliance
(the 79-year-old pianist said, when I asked her
_What makes a virtuoso? — Competitiveness.)_
The longer I live the more I mistrust
theatricality, the false glamour cast
by performance, the more I know its poverty beside
the truths we are salvaging from
the splitting-open of our lives
The woman who sits watching, listening,
eyes moving in the darkness
is reheasing in her body, hearing-out in her blood
a score touched off in her perhaps
by some words, a few chods, from the stage,
a tale only she can tell.

But there come times — perhaps this is one of them —
when we have to taek ourselves more seriously or die;
we when have to pull back from the incantations,
rhythms we’ve moved to thoughtlessly,
and disenthrall ourselves, bestow
ourselves to silence, or a severer listening, cleansed
of oratory, formulas, choruses, laments, static
crowing the wires. We cut the wires,
find ourselves in free-fall, as if
our true home were the undimensional
solitudes, the rift
in the Great Nebula.
No one who survives to speka
new language, has avoided this:
the cutting-away of an old force that held her
rooted to an old ground
the pitch of utter loneliness
where she herself and all creation
seem equally dispersed, weightless, her being a cry
to which no echo comes or can ever come.

But in fact we were always like this,
rootless, dismembered: knowing it makes the difference.
Birth stripped our birthright from us,
tore us from a woman, from women, from ourselves
so early on
and the whole chorus throbbing at our ears
like midges, told us nothing, nothing
of origins, nothing we needed
to know, nothing that could re-member us.

Only: that it is unnatural,
the homesickness for a woman, for ourselves,
for that acute joy at the shadow her head and arms
cast on a wall, her heafy or slender
thigs on which we lay, flesh against flesh,
eyes steady on the face of love; smell of her milk, her swet,
terror of her disappearance, all fused in this hunger
for the element they have called most dangerous,to be
lifted breathtaken on her breast, to rock within her
— even if beaten back, stranded again, to apprehend
in a sudden brine-clear though
trembling like the tiny, orbed, endangered
egg-sac of a new world:
_This is what she was to me, and this
is how I can love myself —
as only a woman can love me.

Homesick for myself, for her_ — as, father the heatwave
breaks, the clear tones of the world
manifest: cloud, bough, wall, insect, the very soul of light,
_homesick_ as the fluted vault of desire
articulates itself: _I am the lover and the loved,
homne and wanderer, she who splits
firewood and she who knocks, a strange
in the storm_, two women, eye to eye
measuring each other’s spirits each others’
limitless desire,
          a whole new poetry beginning here.

Vision begins to happen in such a life
as if a woman quietly walked away
from the argument and jargon in a room
and sitting down in the kitchen, began turning in her lap
bits of yarn, calico and velvet scraps,
laying them out absently on the scrubbed boards
in the lamplight, with small rainbow- colored shells
sent in cotton-wool from somewhere far away
and skeins of milkweed from the nearest meadow —
original domestic silk, the finest findings —
and the darkblue petal of the petunia,
and the dry darkbrown face of seaweed;
not forgotten either, the shed silver
whisker of the cat,
the spiral of paper-wasp-nest curling
beside the finch’s yellow feather.
Such a composition has nothing to do with eternity,
the striving for greatness, brilliance—
only with the musing of a mind
one with her body, experienced fingers quietly pushing
dark against bright; silk against roughness,
putting the tenets of a life together
with no mere will to mastery,
only care for the many-lived, unending
forms in which she finds herself,
becoming now the sherd of broken glass
slicing light in a corner, dangerous
to flesh, now the plentiful, soft leaf
that wrapped round the throbbing finger, soothes the wound;
and now the stone foundation, rockshelf further
forming underneath everything that grows.
(1977)


Remedios Varo (1908 – 1963), Girls on Bicycles (?): it puts me in mind of the Madeleine books

And these are only a few of my favorite poems. It has to be admitted Rich is not often playful. But then I’m not often playful. She wrote only of Austen that I can find once: in “When we dead awaken: Writing a Re-vision”: in A Room of One’s Own, Woolf was trying to sound “as cool as Jane Austen, as Olympian as Shakespeare, because that is the way men of the culture thought a writer should sound.” She is right about that: Austen did compromise and I will be writing about one aspect of this tomorrow: her letters to her niece, Anna Austen Lefroy.

I had not included Rich in my foremother poet blogs and postings before because I felt inadequate to the task, that I did not know enough. I am aware I never saw, heard or spoke to her while it seems other people I know have. Today I got over that and perhaps next week will attempt another foremother blog for Amy Clampitt whom I also feel I don’t know quite enough about.

I’ll come back later and add some good essays or books about Rich and her writing if I can find some I feel sure are good. An addendum for now: it’s useless to write a foremother poet blog for Adrienne Rich, it almost makes nonsense of what she stood for unless we tell the content: a free-for-all against blacks, women, the poor. US action outside the borders of the US.

Ellen

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Ellen Moody holds a Ph.D in British Literature and taught in American senior colleges for more than 40 years. Since 2013 she has been teaching older retired people at two Oscher Institutes of Lifelong Learning, one attached to American University (Washington, DC) and other to George Mason University (in Fairfax, Va). She is also a literary scholar with specialties in 18th century literature, translation, early modern and women's studies, film, nineteenth and 20th century literature and of course Trollope. For Trollope she wrote a book on her experiences of reading Trollope on the Internet with others, some more academic style essays, two on film adaptations, the most recent on Trollope's depiction of settler colonialism: "On Inventing a New Country." Here is her website: http://www.jimandellen.org/ellen/ No part of this blog may be reproduced without express permission from the author/blog owner. Linking, on the other hand, is highly encouraged!

14 thoughts on “Foremother Poet: Adrienne Rich (1929-2012)”

  1. From Twenty-One Love Poems
    Adrienne Rich

    XVII
    No one’s fated or doomed to love anyone.
    The accidents happen, we’re not heroines,
    they happen in our lives like car crashes,
    books that change us, neighborhoods
    we move into and come to love.
    Tristan und Isolde is scarcely the story,
    women at least should know the difference
    between love and death. No poison cup,
    no penance. Merely a notion that the tape-recorder
    should have caught some ghost of us: that tape-recorder
    not merely played but should have listened to us,
    and could instruct those after us:
    this we were, this is how we tried to love,
    and these are the forces they had ranged against us,
    and theses are the forces we had ranged within us,
    within us and against us, against us and within us.

  2. But is “foremother” the right word? She was just a bit older than we are. I met her in the late 1960s at an anti-war meeting in an empty loft on W. 14th Street in Greenwich Village. There were about a hundred people present, all of us sitting on the floor and almost all of us on the faculty of one NYC college or another. She may have been there only because her husband Alfred Conrad [ne’Cohen] of CCNY was there, as I recall him speaking powerfully and her saying something that was also effective in a quieter way. It was an exciting moment, for we created a city-wide organization of radical faculty that stayed in touch for years.

    In addition to Rich’s poetry, I’ve always been indebted to a pamphlet she wrote called, “On Lies, Secrets, and Silence,” which, come to think of it, would be an excellent text to share with students.

    Bob

  3. Well I’m stretching it. When I first began I used Scott’s rule of thumb for what’s historical. 60 years since. The poet had to have died 60 years ago. But then I began to run out and I also wanted to commemorate, do justice to, write about myself more modern women, so I said she had to have been born more than 60 years ago.

    Rich fits that. To me Another objection could be her essays are as important and she was a great essayist. I’ll buy that 🙂 I often like a writers’ essays and letters better than their fiction anyway (this is the case for me with some of Margaret Atwood’s novels; also Drabble’s.)

    I admit though I’ve chosen a couple more contemporary women than that. And I do find on Wompo (and other places) somewhat dismayingly the younger women (and men too) seem to regard anything written more than 5 years ago, not contemporary. So when I have made more modern women
    my focus, it’s not even noticed.

    I never met her. Just reading — as is common with me. I love how she does not compromise and is as good as her word when it comes to her politics. The example of her refusing the prize to Clinton is what I have in mind here.

    And note I do quote from her essays — you have to get though some poems or scroll past, you will see I quote from her essays (on fashion), credit these essays, and at its close agree with her about Jane Austen’s reputation. To Rich Austen was so respected because she fit male establishments ideas not only of what a woman like her should be but they approved her “cool” tone.

    Thanks for replying,
    Ellen

  4. A few books and essays on her and her poetry:

    Barbara C. Gelpi and Albert Gelpi, eds., Adrienne Rich’s Poetry: A Norton Critical Edition (New York: Norton, 1975).
    Randall Jarrell, “New Books in Review,” Yale Review, 46 (September 1956): 100-103.
    David Kalstone, Five Temperaments (New York: Oxford University Press, 1977), pp. 129-169.
    Judith McDaniel, Reconstituting The World: The Poetry and Vision of Adrienne Rich (Argyle, N.Y.: Spinsters Ink, 1979).
    Adrian, Oktenberg. “The heart of the matter.” The Women’s Review of Books Nov. 1995: 13+
    Alicia Ostriker, “Her Cargo: Adrienne Rich and the Common Language,” American Poetry Review, 8 (July-August 1979): 6-10.
    Alice Templeton, The Dream and the Dialogue: Adrienne Rich’s Feminist Poetics(Knoxville: University of Tennessee Press, 1994).

  5. Adrienne Rich should have won the Nobel Prize. She didn’t because she was such a strong uncompromising feminist, socialist, humanitarian, so outspoken against the (fascist, militarist) regimes ruling the world.

    I’ve wondered why other similar women have not got it; these are not as forthright and strong politically but they did not win it either: Margaret Drabble is a fine candidate for all round literature (so to speak), as novelist, biographer, critic, literary historian. Margaret Atwood too — another great poet, artist, critic, novelist.

    Here’s a list so far:

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/women.html

    E.M.

  6. On one of my listservs, a friend said she likes lists and the Net. I do: they are a central aspect of my existence and (I know) for many others. That’s why there was such an outcry when commercial interests wanted to (in effect) shut it down and use it as another locked place to sell their stuff. Much of the talk against it is unexamined snobbery; some is interested in the sense that people who have spent lifetimes getting into closed coteries don’t want these coteries threatened.

    This reply is also occasioned by the two days of blogs and postings about Adrienne Rich’s career that have blossomed everywhere I look since her death. For my part I got several heartening validations and replies to my blogs. In one Gloria Orenstein in a letter praised by choice of pictures: I happened to chose the women artists she values and three of them women she has known and worked on (LaDuke, Carrington, Varo); she taught in the same college with Rich during the 1970s; she sent me a number of references and this literary site:

    http://www.publicartinla.com/womens_salons/

    I love it for the photographs first of all. It’s so rare to get good photographs of women, and here we have a cornucopia of photos of women not sexed up, not made frail, not advertisements for clothes, not symbolic sites reflecting mass views (often denigrating and demeaning or else presented as simply mothers, nurses, family members of some sort0, not unreal scarily anorexic guarded clotheslines for extravagant fashions, but strong writing real individuals. I can recognize my looks in some of them.

    Much writing and many references to more. This from the early first flush, heights of the second phase of feminism.

    Ellen

  7. People on Wompo have been talking about Rich as a hard-headed professional (aka careerist) and how her husband’s suicide after their divorce is not much talked of — yet they are talking of it.

    So I contributed this and put it on the blog too:

    Adrienne Rich came from a relatively privileged class, went to the right schools, got the right award and used these handles for all they were worth. From her upper middle Jewish background she was given strong self-esteem and taught to be pro-active and to make a middle class career. On Democracynow.Org Rich’s long-time agent was interviewed, and without all at meaning to demean her, just as the literal truth, the agent (whose name escapes me as I probably didn’t pay that much attention to the name) said she had to woo Rich for a couple of years to win her account. They me at some prestigious dinner.

    We can’t separate private from public lives anymore and in people’s writing both intermingle. If Rich never mourned the death of her husband, it played into her psyche. One of the characteristics of her verse I like is its continual seriousness, its gravitas. I also want to agree with those who have suggested the suicide is a highly complicated matter, decision, hysteria (perhaps).

    Another woman whose husband killed himself comes to mind as a good parallel. Joan Rivers, a highly public figure. The most hits cumulatively my Ellen and Jim have a blot Two has had is a review of her powerful because frank autobiographical movie, Joan Rivers, A Piece of Work. In that movie she recounts the lead-in to her ex-husband’s suicide. She did divorce himself and he did kill himself not long afterward and the two events are not unconnected. But why did she divorce himself. The marriage came under terrific strain when Rivers attempted to her first late night show. She had been a guest, then a guest-host on Johnny Carson. When she took on her own show, he took that as an utter treacherous step and was ferociously and ceaselessly indignant (angry) and took revenge, tried to stop her. I forget the details but it included his going to his station and demanding they never hire her, and blackmouthing her, using all the devices of infamy at his command. The pressure at their “friends’ (friends include people on your side) was intense. (Dickens did the same; he told all his friends and associates if they so much as visited his wife, he would break off all relationships with them; he had a press too. His behavior was particularly contemptible even he had all them money, took all her children from her, shamed her. See The Other Dickens.) Rivers’s husband and Rivers disagreed on how to cope with this, and ended divorcing.

    Rivers’s husband’s death seems to me to be the result of many circumstances in which he and she found themselves. Surely the same goes for Rich’s husband. He had his friends, his position (he was not an unemployed husband of a poet living on the edge), his money and place in the world.

    Ellen

  8. FWIW, my husband offers this “gem” of ordinary stereotypical thought: the reason that when Plath killed herself a lot of people paid attention and when Adrienne Rich’s husband killed himself (I don’t even know his name) is that it is supposed “men are free agents.” Men are not supposed to be upset when they “lose their women.” When the woman kills herself, the story is really all about the man.

    I’ll add we are also supposed to believe woman want to be married above all things (except maybe have children?)

    So public discourse ignores men killing themselves when marriages break, and spotlights when women kill themselves.

    As I say, FWIW.

    Ellen

  9. A thread online on the suicide of Alfred Conrad:

    http://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/why-did-alfred-conrad-kill-himself

    The threads on Wompo the discussion went well beyond the topic or conflict between the private and public life of a writer. Had it just been that it would have been more innocuous.

    It was what we discussed, the content that was brought up, as well as a treatment of Rich that fits what people bring out when they are talking of a celebrity. The content was sexual and it was about that sore topic of class. Rich had refused to live a life false to her inner self, her desires and part of her ability to have such a successful career came from an inward self-prompting sense of power that people who come from upper middle and above class environments (which can come from education) feel is their right and can act on.

    Aspects of modern celebrity culture, the feel and mood of such
    discussions when people talked of how they had seen Rich here, or heard her speak there. if text is all what does it matter if one saw the author, talked to her, heard her talk: she became a numinous figure in all this. People did talk of the photo Katha Pollitt had or the one the Times chose — suddenly this did matter. This celebrity culture also shapes who is allowed to say what here and who allowed to object.

    Ellen Moody

  10. A few people got very upset over my comment. One woman said the sense of right and power that comes from class also comes from religion and said down south where she lives she sees it in lower middle people. I agreed that religion is a powerful fuel for self-esteem. That’s why people like religion and cling to it. God is on their side; God has chosen them; they are one of the elect.

    Marilyn Hacker couldn’t bear my comments and found herself constrained to answer me. Without using my name or referencing me directly. Actually I like that as polite but that’s not why she did it. She doesn’t want to recognize me as I’m nothing in comparison to her who has this class background and (dare I say it? – I will here) celebrity.

    http://lists.ncc.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=WOM-PO;5ca3579a.1204

    So I answered thus:

    By upper middle to upper class I was careful to say that it included
    people who were highly educated. In the US class is also a function of
    one’s education. I don’t know why anyone should take such offense at
    the idea that this or that poet or anyone is privileged because they
    have had such a background or education. They have been lucky. It’s
    chance who you are born to, what circles you grow up in. Revolutions
    are often led by people who come from just such niches in society.

    That people are concerned to separate themselves from this niche shows
    just what a sore topic (surrounding by hypocrisies) class in the US
    has ever been. And with the spread of unemployment, huge debts to go
    to university (and thus also make connections), it’s become yet worse.
    But the attitude of mind it gives someone is a gift and say young
    children who get to go to the Bronx High School of Science reap the
    inward sense of right ever after. That’s why people care so much about
    what schools their kids (or they) go to.

    The phrase “high stature” has very different vibes from “celebrity
    culture” but the two elide in the public media and the behavior of
    people towards both is analogous and sometimes the same. Again I
    suggested that the person who becomes numinous often cannot control
    what is said or done around her (or him) as a site. When Rich refused
    that prize, she bucked the whole trend and that it’s a startle can be
    seen by the most widespread obituaries (Reuters) including that in the
    few sparse paragraphs they printed.

    The pop view of celebrity celebrates it (the coterminous territory of
    both noun and verb is no coincidence). Dancing with the Stars is
    shameless in this regard. And recently among academics there has been
    strong attempt to make celebrity respectable as well as the behaviors
    of people around it. Last Christmas a whole issue of PMLA was devoted
    to this, even giving the experience and social reality a respectable
    history (an essay on Garrick was included). This time the fault-line
    of discomfort is not money but the very fault-line I was pointing high
    in upper middle to upper class. The idea of celebrity and say actors
    and actresses who used to be the sites of this alone (now it includes
    politicians who get movies made about them with great actors
    personating them as Helen Mirren becomes Queen) is a sore one because
    somewhere it’s felt that the person has risen without deserving or
    earning it. They have something that is indefinable and they just have
    it,so jealousy and envy come out as suspect feelings towards it. But
    not all asked for it and some people really do turn away from it. It
    seems that Rich was such a person. She didn’t dress the part at all.

    I also wrote that I’m not angry at all and I don’t understand who is
    angry at what. Why should anyone be angry at Rich for dying (if that
    is what was said). As far as I can see the unfortunate woman suffered
    for a long time great pain from her rheumatoid arthritis. Of course
    she would have lived a longer life if she could have, and one without
    pain.

    Ellen Moody

    P.S. I refrained from mentioning in response to Ms Hacker’s assertion of where she slept (for many years) that I didn’t have my own room ever until Jim and I moved into the present house. But that would be to put us on a par with Monty Pyton’s funny skit on luxury where each of the speakers views with proving what a deprived existence he or she had. You walked to school in boots! luxury luxury, I had no boots …

  11. Now some thinks I was “misunderstanding” (i.e., casting an aspersion on) Jewish beliefs when I used the term “chosen people.” So again I responded:

    Clarification: my response to Jacqueline Lapidus and a previous comment: I made a bad choice of phrase when I referred to “God’s chosen people.” I probably did that because Rich’s father was Jewish, but I think I also used the word “elect” (thinking of Protestantism).

    What I should have said more precisely is the idea that you are among the elect of God gives people are strong sense of self-esteem. I was thinking of Lutheranism, Calvinism, which are theologies at the heart of some American southern church group. I was also responding to someone who suggested beyond class many other factors give this sense of self-power and right. She instanced religious people down south.

    This notion that you are elect also pre-supposes others are not. There’s been a lot of ink spilt on humanizing this idea (that is making the eschatalogy more tolerant), but you can find it full-blown in say Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress. At the close of that narrative, Christian is taken up to heaven and invited to look at the miserable sinners roasting in hell beneath.

    I meant to refer to the whole outlook behind election. This leads (I think) in part to this US idea that there is something special about the US, “exceptionalism” it’s called. The idea that the US people are really different and somehow better and can go about the world dictating to others what is right. That is of course (to me) a stalking horse and cover for military and other take-overs of other countries to make the people there serve their interests. This deep embedded notion of election makes these kinds of assertions more believed in.

    I did not mean to refer just to the Jewish version of this kind of belief system. It does give great comfort to people who believe themselves saved, but in history one can easily find how it tortures those who do not so believe, and how those asked to come up to the front of a church and testify to a conversion experience which they’ve not got suffer very badly from alienation, guilt, forced hypocrisy and the sense they are not among the elect.

    Richard Wright in his _Black Boy_ tells of how he suffered when it was demanded he have a conversion experience (in effect) and didn’t. I also think of the later 18th century poet, Wm Cowper, who believed himself damned and wrote the most painful poetry about this. He went insane.

    We all talk casually; next time I’ll cite William James, _Varieties of Religious Experience_ and suggest the sense of self-worth and entitlement that can come from election is dealt with there in depth.

    Ellen Moody

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